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delldeaton, Jan 01, 2009 - 11:42 AM,
"Definitive list of James Bond film watches
(EON Productions)"
Wanted to make TZ one of my first
stops in sharing what I believe is the most comprehensive lists of
James Bond film watches available. Although it's been several years
in the making, I still consider it a work-in-progress.
But the thing I think it offers of
most importance at this point is an organized way of capturing each
variation of watch by film, model, story line, and gadget. I don't
see this so much as a debate about "which watch came first?" or
"which watch is best?" or "what's the real James Bond watch?" so
much as it is a way of trying to cover everything for those who are
interested in the topic.
As always, I thank you all for your interest. And I'm looking
forward to your feedback....
delldeaton,
Jan 01, 2009 - 02:46 PM, "There are really two
things I'm fundamentally hoping to achieve here"
The first is to provide a truly
complete list of all watch variations that have appeared in the
James Bond films from EON Productions. A clear shortcoming in
efforts (well-meaning as they may be) based on film-title
associations falls short; for example,
A View to a Kill shows as many as four different watches
in my list so far.
Now we look where perhaps we have not looked before. And we can
discuss watches based on common labels, moving closer to "final
answers," as opposed to potentially confusing variations.
Second, I wanted to really question assumptions here. That doesn't
make all assumptions "wrong," per se. Rather, the idea is to
highlight the reasons why folks lean toward one interpretation or
another in identifying a particular watch and model, as opposed to
what someone else might do.
Take what I call the "Miss Taro
Rolex." Would one ID that model based on what they see on-screen
in
Dr. No? Or based on a publicity still from the film
(there's a dial-shot of the watch where Bond is in bed w/ her and a
that appears in a lot of references: But in the still, Bond is
wearing a shirt, and in the movie he is not). Maybe someone else
bases his/her ID on an assumption that the "Miss Taro Rolex" is the
same as the "Russian Embassy Rolex." The latter being much more
readily ID'ed, based on the close-up 1 hour, 4 minutes into
From Russia with Love.
I'll be adding larger reference images for each watch labeled; these
will link through the current thumbnails. It was quite a balancing
act to put together this main page, as you might imagine. What to
include? What to leave out? How to organize it so that it could
expand as information is confirmed. And, of course, how to provide
reference images w/o having a Page that took forever to load on some
systems....
delldeaton, Jan 01, 2009 - 05:52 PM,
"Some sooner than others."
As you might imagine, I am getting
closer to some villain watches as a result of this research. I've
catalogued things such as screen captures and side-by-sides (the one
that always seems to come to mind being
when Trevelyan held Bond's watch up next to his own and knew how
to use it to disarm its remote detonator for explosives).
But no immediate plans....
That said, let me add that one of my approaches to research is to
note similarities in watch selections w/in films. It doesn't
always work, but it's often a great starting point. By this I mean
that when looking for a 007 watch where it seems like there's not a
context clue in the world, checking out other watches in the film
can often point the way. I mean, if you were a producer, wouldn't it
just make sense to acquire a lot of watches from the same supplier?
And, if that supplier were a watchmaker, well, you get the picture.
James Dowling (MrRolex), Jan 02, 2009 -
04:25 AM, "Thanks"
Hi DD;
Excellent work.
My only suggestion (based on my own researches into other fields) is
never to call anything 'definitive', or at least to qualify it with
the words 'The Current'; as, by definition, any work in progress can
never also be definitive. And, as you know, work like yours is
always in progress.
Sublover, Jan 02, 2009 - 05:52 AM
Really great work by you!
Wowwwww.....
To me the watch pictures in "From Russia with Love" it should be
either a 6538 or a 5510. Definitely a big crown but nearly
impossible to see if a 2- liner of 4-liner and also the bezel insert
seems to have no minute tracks....
To me there are just these 2 opps.
Take care and I will always support if I can
Sublover
fbobberts, Jan 03, 2009 -
01:56 AM, "There's the
OHMSS 'Playboy' Rolex"
Lazenby sets his watch
(clearly a 5513) on the copier when he is thumbing through the
Playboy in the layer's office. I think it should be a 5513 and the
same for the Partner Rolex- this watch was Lazenby's own 5513. I
don't think he wore more than one.
He also wore that
6238 -Dang I love that watch.
Nice work on the
Seikos.
delldeaton, Jan 03, 2009 - 06:23 PM,
"Believe me, I wanted to have 'Playboy' magazine there"
Ironically, it's the sequence where
James Bond removes his watch to keep track of time in the
safe-cracker sequence that kept me from referencing "Playboy" (for
now) on my list. As many times as I've looked at that sequence, I
can't reconcile the watch shown there w/ what I'm seeing elsewhere
in On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
As always, I'm of course open to further discussion on this.
re "Lazenby's own 5513," I've got a stack of references to
that story, and recent confirmation from a reliable source who just
interviewed Mr. Lazenby and says he heard the claim again with his
own ears. (Please PM me w/ your own references, as I suspect some
day I may devote a Page on my site to them.)
But I'm skeptical. That's not to say I "doubt" anyone, per se.
It's just that we're talking in this Forum as WIS-types about a
different degree of specificity than is common elsewhere. Remember
that story that's been cited as Gospel from
James Bond: The Legacy, referencing the Albert R.
Broccoli Rolex? "It must have been a Sub," based on this,
goes the shout.
John Cork disputes this, and he authored the book (I
think his response is on my Blog).
In order to get from George Lazenby's personal purchase to the film,
it seems to me that we've got to make a lot of assumptions. Are they
all confirmed? If so, how? And are they confirmed by folks who
understand the nuances?
The parallel I draw is to the 1966 TV series Batmobile. It's a
fantastic vehicle, and a focus I may take on some day (after I truly
have completed the "definitive" work on James Bond watches!). But,
my goodness: You can look at interviews over time and see how the
same person tells the same story in completely different ways. Heck,
for that matter, in the same time period. Why? Not for malice or
lack of wanting to be right, I don't think. But, more simply,
because they're not answering the question from the same point of
reference as the person asking (eg, the auto buff, film historian,
et cetera).
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